A researcher on the "I1c-Y-Clan" message board wrote that our Y-DNA (I2a2a1a formerly I2b1a1) "is fairly prolific in western County Down in Ireland. In the Bradley & McEvoy survey, the surnames Byrne, Coulter, Dunleavy, Haughey, Kelly, McCabe, McCartan, McEvoy, McGinn, McGuinness, McVeigh, Murphy and Neeson all have medieval presence in and around that county, though the Norman invasion of the thirteenth century and the Elizabethan wars of the sixteenth may have sent many off to pastures new. Other local surnames with I2b1a connections were Bell, Gillespie, Gowan(Gowin), Loughlin, McAleavey, McManus, Magee, Quinn, Ward."
It was not uncommon for the Irish and Scots to travel to and from Northern Ireland and Scotland, as most did. Indeed, the early Celts within western Scotland (Argyll, Strathclyde and the Hebrides area) that were part of the Dal Riata (and believed to be subclade M284) were cousins of the Northern Ireland tribe known as Dál nAraidi, the second kingdom of Ulster. It is doubtful whether the Dál nAraidi kingdom existed, except as a loose confederation of small kingdoms, until the 8th century, long after the Cruithne kings had ceased to have any real control over the high-kingship of Ulster.
Among the Cruthnian tribes that survived in Ireland were the Loíges and Fothairt in Leinster. The name of the first of these tribes survives in the modern form of Laois as the name of one of the counties of Leinster. The other main group lived in County Down, became allied to the Dal Fiatach kingdom, and are ancestral to the chiefs of the Magennis (sometimes spelled McGuinness) and McCartan clans. The Annals of Ulster refers to a deceased County Down man in 698 as "nepos Predani", the Latin form of a "son of the Cruthin". Despite a separate ethnic sense, the Cruithne / Cruthin groups were culturally a part of the Gaelic world at the arrival of Christianity and writing, c.500AD.
Monday, February 2, 2009
The Blood of the Isles by Bryan Sykes and OUR Family DNA
Discussion post about the DNA results from "The Blood of the Isles" aka "Saxons, Vikings, and Celts". From the best-selling author of The Seven Daughters of Eve, an illuminating guide to the genetic history of the British Isles. One of the world's leading geneticists, Bryan Sykes has helped thousands find their ancestry in the British Isles. Saxons, Vikings, and Celts, which resulted from a systematic ten-year DNA survey of more than 10,000 volunteers, traces the true genetic makeup of the British Isles and its descendants, taking readers from the Pontnewydd cave in North Wales to the resting place of "The Red Lady" of Paviland and the tomb of King Arthur.
Our family Y-DNA results matched 100% with some of these 10,000 volunteers, specifically from those who were residing at the time in the areas of Argyll, Strathclyde, Tayside, Fife, the Hebrides (islands off the coast), and the Border region.
Argyll, archaically Argyle (Earra-Ghàidheal in modern Gaelic), is a region of western Scotland corresponding with most of the part of ancient Dal Riata that was located on the island of Great Britain, and in a historical context can be used to mean the entire western seaboard between the Mull of Kintyre and Cape Wrath. In 1975, counties in Scotland were abolished (from Wikipedia).
The Hebrides contain the largest concentration of Scottish Gaelic speakers in Scotland. They comprise a widespread and diverse aarchipelago off the west coast of Scotland. There are two main groups, the Inner and Outer Hebrides. These islands have a long history of occupation dating back to the Mesolithic and the culture of the residents has been affected by the successive influences of Celtic, Norse and English speaking peoples, which is reflected in the names given to the islands (from Wikipedia).
Strathclyde is on the west coast of Scotland and stretches from the Highlands in the north to the Southern Uplands in the south. The regional administrative capital as well as the largest city was Glasgow.
All of these areas seem to correspond with the information collected via Family Tree DNA (FTDNA) matching Y-DNA results. It also appears to match with many of those that carried our surname recorded in early times (pre 1700's).
Within the Gowen Research Foundation, there is belief that the surname was associated with the JAMES BURNS family. The evidence above would certainly place our Y-DNA in a geographic region (although large) with that family, but it doesn't rule out the possibility.
However, all of this information should be taken lightly and only as a way of hopefully providing greater clarity within the context of a hypothesis.
Our family Y-DNA results matched 100% with some of these 10,000 volunteers, specifically from those who were residing at the time in the areas of Argyll, Strathclyde, Tayside, Fife, the Hebrides (islands off the coast), and the Border region.
Argyll, archaically Argyle (Earra-Ghàidheal in modern Gaelic), is a region of western Scotland corresponding with most of the part of ancient Dal Riata that was located on the island of Great Britain, and in a historical context can be used to mean the entire western seaboard between the Mull of Kintyre and Cape Wrath. In 1975, counties in Scotland were abolished (from Wikipedia).
The Hebrides contain the largest concentration of Scottish Gaelic speakers in Scotland. They comprise a widespread and diverse aarchipelago off the west coast of Scotland. There are two main groups, the Inner and Outer Hebrides. These islands have a long history of occupation dating back to the Mesolithic and the culture of the residents has been affected by the successive influences of Celtic, Norse and English speaking peoples, which is reflected in the names given to the islands (from Wikipedia).
Strathclyde is on the west coast of Scotland and stretches from the Highlands in the north to the Southern Uplands in the south. The regional administrative capital as well as the largest city was Glasgow.
All of these areas seem to correspond with the information collected via Family Tree DNA (FTDNA) matching Y-DNA results. It also appears to match with many of those that carried our surname recorded in early times (pre 1700's).
Within the Gowen Research Foundation, there is belief that the surname was associated with the JAMES BURNS family. The evidence above would certainly place our Y-DNA in a geographic region (although large) with that family, but it doesn't rule out the possibility.
However, all of this information should be taken lightly and only as a way of hopefully providing greater clarity within the context of a hypothesis.
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